7 Powers

Great to see you again, Jim. Last week's episode, man, man oh man, of course I lose my voice just before I get on a call, right? Perfectly fine before I press record. And just as I press record, you know, just like the voice kind of goes. Anyways, so maybe it's because I was a bit nervous about our last conversation, but it's not, it's not nervous, because we talked about courage, that's what we talked about, right? So we talked about your sixth courage, I love that. And so for those of you who didn't watch it, didn't watch it or listen to the episode, you've got to go back. But we thought,

Yeah, I noticed that. Yep.

something would be interesting is that once you find the courage, so courage is like the first step of action. Like it's the first thing that we kind of do. We instigate, it's the first step. And if anything, like I think that's the one of the most important steps. But then like once you have the courage to do, you know, do that, we want to kind of blend into this episode around, well, what do we really kind of searching courage for? What are we really pursuing? And this reminded me of a conversation that Dr. DiMartini had or presented once to me at a seminar you know, somewhere, I can't remember, when it was like probably 20 years ago. And I always kind of sunk my mind around this particular topic, which is about the seven powers and cause that's what I thought you were going to go with, you know, a couple of us will go, I'll go when you're talking about courage, but it wasn't, it was completely different. So I want to address the seven powers. Cause I think it's really powerful. No pun intended. Um, about how a human being is what we're trying to pursue. So oftentimes when we think about, you know, our goals and our, uh, our goals and where we're trying to

Mmm. Yeah.

in our pursuit of life, we tend to kind of surround topics around money, or pursuit of our careers. But there's so many other powers that a human being can have, that could really dominate a space. And I'm talking about, I'm sure. Have you ever been in a space like maybe in a meeting or a seminar in a room where someone walks in, and you've never spoken to them, but just the way they walk in, you just know, like they have some sort of authority, not in a bad way, like they just got this. presence about them and you just you cannot not look at them, right or feel the presence rather. I think that's power like that's powerful and it but it's not always about money. And so that's what I want to have a discussion around that.

Yep. Yep. Okay. Okay. Well, that's, look, that's a great topic because there's so many elements and, and forms of power that you, that you touch. I actually thought that you were going to even go into a superpower and that may evolve in the conversation that we go through, but let's stick to the rank and file normal powers that you're talking about. And, and it's right. It's right. There's a, there's something when someone walks into a room and there's a presence, there's kind of this aura around them. There's this. fight, whether it's vitality, or I've got this under control that permeates through it, whether it's certainty, whether it's decisive, whatever, and that's palpable, people feel it. You know, quite often, I know, I know myself, Lawrence, too, that I've gone and done personal growth work, for example, and I've come back, and my pets relate to me differently after I've done that. And people who have done all this work come in and say, my pets suddenly were relating to me in a totally different way. It was the vibe or the essence that I was giving out. So I definitely think that there's something to what you're talking about.

Yeah, so I think like, it's the essence and I think it's really important for, you know, I would imagine that all of us want, like, although we don't say it out loud that we want power, really, like, I don't think everybody kind of goes like, I want more power, but there is I feel, and I don't know, I'm gonna just say this because I'm not sure if it's actually true. So until I say it, I don't really know. But it's like, there's this pursuit of power in society that we all kind of strive for and, and meaning like, not that we want to dominate someone. I'm not talking about that type of power. I'm talking about the power of going to be empowered by, I think to be an empowered person, like someone to, who, uh, you know, we're in personal development. We all love to like be better at ourselves and be better version of ourselves. Sometimes like we.

Yep.

We are searching these, I'm kind of creating these seven areas because it's like there's different areas of empowerment that we always try to strive for. No one wakes up in the morning to go, I want less power in these areas, right? And I think it's about how do we strive to be better at it? And the pursuit of those powers for yourself will really create the certainty and the confidence, I think, that people need to go on their journey to pursue whatever their goals are. And so it's really coming from within rather than searching from outside. And so there's like that whole inside out kind of principle rather than outside in. So let's start with the very first one, the most obvious one. I think when you see, we talk about someone moving into a room, right? So obviously the one thing that can dominate a conversation is actually the physical appearance of someone. You know, as much as we don't like to judge people, most of the time we are, that's the first thing we are gonna judge them by, right? We're gonna judge them by how they look and how they present themselves. And there's that physical...

Yep.

So it could, but that physicality could be, it has different realms of power in that. So for example, like most of the traditional thing, when we think about power, physicality is about how big or muscular someone is, for example. Of course, if you see Arnold Schwarzenegger walking into a room, like you're going to feel his presence because you know, the guy's huge and he's, you know, large in size and stature, you're going to feel that. So, you know, a lot of people like Jim, you walk into a room and like, you know, we got, we, we feel the power and the essence in you because you got the stature in you.

Hmm.

But for someone like me who is five, seven and a half, notice I have to say the half. I'll take every half inch I can get. But if, you know, for someone like me who's, you know, I would say average ability, actually kind of funny being in Portugal, I am actually pretty tall against the Portuguese. But amongst all my expat friends here, I'm very short. Like literally I could be in a party. Oh my God, yeah, the Dutch.

I'm sorry. That's cool, yeah. Especially the Dutch. Especially the Dutch. They're huge, they're huge, man.

you know, and the sometimes even I literally it was fun. So funny. I was like sitting in a party at a party once and I'm the shortest guy there by not even just by a little bit by like at least a foot they're all like six foot plus like imagine you like six of them around me like this little midget I felt like Kevin Hart, you know, beside the rock. And it was it was it was it was not that was intimidating, but it's just I remember looking up and I'm like, okay, like this, this is kind of weird, right. So for someone like myself,

Hahaha

who doesn't have the physical stature in terms of height, right, I can't change that, right? But that's not the only thing you could be physically empowered by. Sometimes it's strength, right, so muscular. But let's think about from other aspects, it could be also the physical power is also beauty, you know, for a woman to walk in a room, you know, who owns her body, who just like has this, you know, sexiness about them. But not because she's pretty, but because she owns her presence, her own physicality.

Yeah. Hmm, yep.

can literally change a room. You walk into a, you know, a female walked into a room or even a male can walk in, can turn heads. That's power, right? He don't, that's, they may have no money behind them, but that's power to change. And that is the physicality of that. So it could be your health, someone who obviously looks fit and healthy, you know, it doesn't have to be muscular strong, but they just look healthy. Their skin looks healthy. Their, you know, stamina, their strength and their wellbeing. You know, some people look just look well and some people just look really sick. Right. So that's what we talk about physicality.

Okay, look, there is so many things that my brain's going ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, ping, I can go in so many different directions with this. And I'm gonna go in a couple. So there's a big distinction, you're right. Like a lot of us associate physical presence with power and it can be biologically from a protection point of view, like I feel safe around that environment. Biologically women were attracted to that because they, from the...

Take one.

propagation of the species, I went, there's more chance of reproduction and protection. So that's that was biologically hardwired into us. So there's that part of it. There's a big difference, the difference between power and force as well. So it's a great with David Hawkins. And so it talks about, you know, like you've seen people who, if they identify with their physicality, a really interesting thing that happens for people, whether it's women and their beauty, which you talked about, or men in their physicality at some point.

Absolutely. Great book, by the way.

the ravages of age will take effect and you're not gonna be as strong as you are. You might not be as socially as beautiful as you are. And yet when someone takes ownership of their own identity, they walk into a room. My mom was shorter than you. And she had a presence about her that would make grown men terrified. And I think a lot of that, I've inherited that. So my mom would always say, and she always loved that. She says, it's not the size of the dog in a fight, but the size of the fight in a dog. And she always...

Hmm. Hmm.

talked about that as a physical presence goes beyond your physical dimensions. It's your stature. It's your certainty in self that to me is exudes something that's magnetic that influences other people.

Yeah, it's such a powerful thing to recognize, but it has to come from within every single one of these are coming from within. And that's I want to remind people of that. And it's about ownership, right? And it's not about trying to be prettier or stronger, or what it's about. How do you feel about yourself? Because that's the essence that comes out, right? Sure, you can mask it by you know, doing a whole bunch of weights and like, feel like you're strong. But if you kind of If the other powers are not aligned, then you're just only physically strong. Like, you know, the whole goal here is not to be strong in one area. It's the whole goal is to kind of be empowered by every single one of these seven powers, if possible, as the best maximize to, to, to his fullest potential, which is hard to do because there's so many things to kind of focus on.

Yeah. So to me, that's the easy one, the physical one, the one that most of us can relate to. There's so many levels. And to me, I think that's the key component that I'll finish off. Then we can move on to another one would be that if you're overly dependent on this one and identify with that, something's going to happen at some point where it either will be taken away and your identity will be challenged. So it's important to find ways of finding that empowerment. in other ways and we'll certainly talk about some of those now.

Yeah, especially as we age as well, you know, like you're not going to get as strong as you used to be or don't have the same stamina as you used to or you start getting wrinkles and all of a sudden your identity shifts. And if you're not, if you don't either embrace your aging or you rely heavily on this one thing, it can become a problem, you know. So I think that's really important to kind of look at other areas of influence. I mean, look at Arnaud Schwarzenegger. I mean, he obviously knows that his, you know, his primal thing was his physicality.

Yeah.

You know, but over the years, I can mean, I don't know how old he is now, but he's getting on in age in terms of like, his physical is still pretty good, but nowhere near as when he was a bodybuilder, but he has learned to go through other things, political power, and we'll get into some of those things, social power, and so on and so forth, but it's about developing the other areas because those can compensate for a lot of those things as we kind of move into different realms. Let's talk, I'm gonna chip away the top two, which is the easier ones, right? So obviously physical power is one.

Yeah, yeah.

The second one is obviously the money thing and the financial power, right? The financial freedom and the independence. And that's the thing that we constantly kind of strive for. And that the financial power, I think is about, oftentimes it's not about how much money you have. I think it's the power here is about the freedom that you have financially and that's your ability to do that. So it's not about the total amount because I've known people who have earned 10 millions of dollars, $220 million of like assets, but they're not necessarily happy, right? They're not necessarily, they can't, they're so stressed. you know, I know it seems kind of strange to say that, but they're so stressed about what to do. And always people trying to take money from them, for example, how to invest that properly, how to make sure that that gets passed on to generations properly. So there's, there's added pressure into those realms. So it's, to me, financial power is about art, you know, do you have enough financial power within yourself to be able to have means to be able to access to the things that you want to do, and want to strive for for you and your family and have that freedom. So I think it's more about independence. and financial freedom, which I think, you know, I'm gonna pass this on to you because you are obviously the master of that. So I'll leave that to you to discuss.

Well, the, you know, master's a very big term, but let's just say that it's a world that I delve in and I work in. And it's an interesting thing that you basically say, because I've done a lot of work around our relationship to money and the psychology around it. And it's very interesting because it's, I love the, how you said about freedom. It's about, to me, financial power is really about freedom and choice in terms of where you put your time, energy, effort and money.

Mm-hmm.

And so that's a big metric because there are people who are earning huge salaries and telephone book salaries who don't have financial power because they're bound to to that situation and the left side of the column balances the right one and they're not really a lot further ahead. And so they're stuck. Right. So but to me, financial what I've always prioritized and valued financial literacy and financial independence well, because it gives me the ability to create change. So if we didn't like the situations that we're in, both you and I would not have been able to move to the other side of the world if we didn't have a level of financial power. And granted, you can look at the process that got to that, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. However, short story about that is that it wouldn't have happened unless there was some level of an ability to do that. So money creates change, money creates movement. If you don't like something, You can see in terms of political donations, which obviously sounds like it will come up. If you don't like something, you can lobby to change it. And the only way you can do that is through, a lot of the times, money. So it does create things. And for me, when values and great causes are lined up with money, you can actually create changes in your world. And that to me is where legacy and fulfillment and all these other things come into it as well. So, so much we could talk about that, but let's stay in the line of that one specifically.

Yeah. Well, yeah, I think from from a from a to earn financial powers, I feel like the first step is about your relationship with money. And and and understanding that history. And it's really, I mean, it's such a deep topic. I'm sure we will dive into this in another podcast. But it's I would, I would say recommend that people deal with that. Oftentimes, people don't think about that. But it's it's one of the most important things that hold most people back around money. I know I have my hang ups around it. And, and but every I think everybody does to a point. And it's about really recognizing how much of an extent of your relationship with money has held you back. And, and also your understanding what money means to you, how it's been taught to you, how it's been passed on to you, what you've learned, and then asking the questions, are they true? And I'm still working through that process. And I know a lot of people are but it's like, once you start working, and you start seeing money in a different way. And if you look at, you know, being power any of these seven things, the thing we look at is the people who

Yeah, of course.

you know, you might pick someone who you admire that has one of these powers. You look at them, you start to realize, and like it's really about the relationship with themselves, relationship with that thing. And in this specific case right now, it's a relationship with finances, not because they're smarter or better than you, it's because they have a better understanding with themselves with their relationship with money. So therefore they're actually attracting more of it.

Yeah. And that altruism about the true essence of a person shows up with, you know, alcohol and money. So, you know, it's an amplifier. And I believe that if you're fundamentally a person who has humans at the core of who you want to help, the more you have, the more you can give. So it just amplifies that. And I think being clear on your relationship about it, who it is, who you are with it.

Yeah.

what it says about you, what lack of it says about you, et cetera, all those kinds of things are very important things to unpackage because they quite often are the invisible hand that quite often stops you from progressing.

Well, as we're into this new, you know, in this age of, you know, social media, we cannot not talk about the power of social, the social influence and the social power of leadership. And you know, now, I think, you know, in my lifetime, over the last 50 years, like this is definitely the time of where you really seen the power of social power, right? The social influencers, influencers are a big thing now, you know, kids want to be influencers. And in and they can create change, they can create change for good and also bad, unfortunately, but that there's absolute power in terms of your social, uh, your it's not social ranking. I would say it's more about your social influence and your ability and your brand, like the brand you, um, I think it's so important to look at, um, creating an understanding around, you know, how do people see you? How sociable are you? And what is your influence to the community based on your social ability score? And I'd hate to use that word score, but it's sort of like that influence that we actually have on others based on who we are. Your thoughts on that?

Yeah, yeah, look, definitely. I think social power is really currency now. You see that in so many areas. You look at the Arab rising in Egypt and they basically overthrew a government and mobilized people exceptionally well. You look at the political elections in the US and how quickly that can be influenced through social avenues. You look at someone who previously has made a statement that is out of step with society, they're canceled. And so the power of social power and social influence by virtue of saying, hey, no, that, you know, people making a stance, rightly or wrongly sometimes, you can cancel someone who didn't deserve to. That's the downside of it, but also you can create change and movement when things are out of step and you go, no, this isn't right. It carries on from what we talked about last week, and it was about social courage. So the first step is being prepared to get out there and say no. This is what I believe. These are the basis of my convictions. Now then personal empowerment is the ability to take action to create change through that avenue. That's how I link up what we talked about last week to this week.

Yeah, and leadership falls into this category, right? Being a strong leader, you know, I've always sort of said, it's like, you know, in order for you to be a strong leader of people, you have to learn to be a strong leader to yourself. If you can't learn to lead yourself, you can't learn to lead others. So you start with yourself and you go, can I lead me? Can I do the things I need people to do? Can I lead myself to do better things and be more powerful or being more empowered to do those physicality of courage? Can we lean into being a leader to...

100%.

you know, grasp those, the social power and then, and the courage story. All these things are leadership of yourself. And then once you learn how to lead yourself, then you have an opportunity to learn to lead another. That's one other person. And if you have the opportunity and you can do it successfully to lead one other person, then you have an opportunity to lead a small group. You have maybe three to five people. And if you're able to do that, then you have an opportunity to shape, you know, a group of 10. And then when you can do a group of 10, you can do a hundred. And then when you can lead that, then you can maybe do a small community. When you can lead a small community, you can lead a city. Then you can lead a city. You can lead a state. And if you can lead a state, you can lead a country. And if you can lead a country, you can lead the world. And it's sort of like, it's, but it all stems in the matter of your ability to be, to lead yourself and how you can do that.

You know, it's interesting as you were saying that I got goosebumps because I was thinking that, you know, we're a product of our philosophy and our heritage. And that was, you know, the the forefather of chiropractic would always say, you know, the the the bigness of a principle and just BJ Palmer, who was basically saying you change the world one person at a time, one situation at a time, and the ripple effect those and starts influencing your community, the world, etc, etc. So I think that's really cool. I think it was. very relevant that we talked about what we talked about last week and moved into this week, because that's right, you have to have the courage to take that first scary step. The other ones are then the process of just taking further steps again.

Yeah, exactly. So we talked about physicality, we talked about finances, we talked about social. Let's move on to family, love, intimacy, and that power of that, oftentimes we don't think of them as a power, but really, a strong family unit, a strong relationship is almost something we've forgotten to look at as a power. Because I think- divorce and you know, separate homes and having like divorce parents is such a common thing nowadays. And we've forgotten about the family unit. So it's almost like that whole, you know, like you've been married for 25 years, 30 years, I can't remember 30 years, right? It's amazing, right? So and, and it's, it's, that's powerful to kind of admire and to go like, that's power, like there's because, I mean, let's face it, you know, we've both been married, I've been married for 20.

I was 30, yeah, 30. Yeah.

21, 22 years and it's like having a relationship for that long over that period of time, over three different kind of decades of 20s, 30s and 40s. But it takes, you can imagine, you've changed and evolved. Every decade we're changing and evolving, our wants and desires change and yet we, so there's not just yourself, but then you've also got to factor in your partner.

I just suddenly felt older, Lawrence, really old. Decades, year after year after year, sorry. Go on.

they're changing as well. And for us to be able to stick through those years, those decades, you start to think like, that takes a lot of work in terms of the relationship. So there's definitely power in relationships and family and love and having a strong family unit, like all that has power. So what goes to say is like, oftentimes I think we forget, like my wife, she doesn't work per se, which we'll get into, you know, vocations of her. She, her, like her primary goal and role, over the last 15 years has been a mother. There's power in that. Right? There's like, if she wasn't, she didn't own that role as a strong mother figure in our household and to be able to be a mother in our kids' lives, I couldn't, I know that I couldn't have been able to do some of the things I could do because I would have to fill in some of those roles. And so, you know, she has taken on that role. That's the decision of we may not saying that everybody has to do that. I'm just saying that in our situation, this is what we did. I think that has power into it. And I'll, and just, this is just a testament. you know, to Karen and her ability to be able to be a strong mother, uh, for our family, for our kids. And for me as being a strong wife, that is power to me. And that has, you know, strong, but oftentimes, you know, women may not take that as a power, right? And they might go like, well, that's, you know, I'm only a housewife. No, no, no. Like you are a housewife. Like, you know what I mean? That, that is such a powerful thing to do to sacrifice job career, your own pursuit to do the one thing that is very selfless. you know when it comes to raising kids and I think that's a really important power to kind of remember.

Oh, totally. What has given us stability as a family, as a unit, was the relationship that we... And it was a values thing. We valued family really highly. So everything was always made from that place, from the decision of what's best for our family. And so it's not a judgment call because other people will prioritize other things over that. And that's cool. That's their objective and choice. But without doubt, I...

Mm-hmm.

I found it as a font of replenishment of my own spirit. My, my essence would have allowed me to dream big and try different things was the stability and the nurturing and the relationship and the foundation that we had at our home without question. And so that was to me, it was like coming to the source to replenish, to go out there, the slave dragons, whatever they are. Um, and those slaggons metaphorically were, it might've been dreaming big or what have you, and, and that's, that, that was, that's what we've, we found. That's what we found was really, really helpful. And what it created for, it's actually very interesting. The challenge that it's brought up for our kids was that they've been a product of a really stable home life, and they've loved that. And it's given them the opportunity that they had unconditional support in terms of, okay, we back you, we always challenge them. So it was always a case of, this is not our expectation in our primary relationship was always. that Bertine and I always wanted to see the best of each other. And that was the power. And then by extension, we brought that in our kids. So our kids now have got a reference to go, hey, if that's what it looks like, I'm out there. And unless I find something that, they've got a reference for it and they go, unless I have something for, that resembles that, I don't want to settle. And that's not to say this is the gold standard, but they've actually been the product of an environment where they, had all the things that we talk about, how important it is to nurture a family. And so they're not gonna compromise that. So they would rather go, I will, I'm not looking for a relationship for the sake of it. It's gotta be, I've got to, it's who I am in myself, that I'll attract someone who will compliment that as opposed to I need something. And there's, you know, that's the amplification of the power you're talking about in a relationship.

Yeah. Yeah, and especially today's age too, as well. Like, you know, it's not, it's also a lot of roles that has, you know, traditional roles have been flipped, right? I know a lot of clients of mine are the female practitioners, right? Or the female or the breadwinners, I guess, when you will call it. And the husband is the one who's staying at home and being that power man role for that home role. And so it's not, this is nothing to do with male female, it's about owning the role and owning the power of being a family.

Yep.

And there's some massive powers in that end, but it's about appreciating that and owning it because that's something that we're all striving for to have better relationships, stronger relationships and better family connections.

Yep, yep, totally.

All right, so let's move to the next one, which is vocational, right? So the vocational success, this is the, the power of obviously achievements in your careers, uh, and the things that you do. Well, you know, passes, I mean, this is self-explanatory, but I think it's, uh, it's an obviously one of the strength and the powers that we can shape or who we are and, uh, what we do. And this is not necessarily sometimes it's about, you know, owning it based on, you know, that's why some of us. That's where a lot of our parents, especially the Asian parents, like want us to be lawyers and doctors, right? Because it's like this prestige that comes out of that power of calling yourself a doctor. But there's the power of being successful. Now, traditionally now, it's like the last probably 20 years is all been entrepreneurship, just being grinding it through as an entrepreneur and that becomes like a vocational power. I don't know what the next things will be. Like obviously we talked about influencers being a sort of a career. uh, as, as having some power, but you know, who knows, it might be more like an AI engineer, you know, in the next future, who knows what that is, but there is the power of having a career, have a power of like being really great at what you do and being able to share that and having success in that, not necessarily for the money, but for being able to, I guess, career to me is someone that you can find mastery in, right? I've always admired, um, athletes who have mastered the craft, who like spends decades learning and refining. them not because they have these basic essential skills that they were born with, but they utilize it and get better at it every single year and throughout the decades. I've always admired the artist, you know, that that didn't have just one hit wonder and then just kind of just never did anything and always playing the same songs. They're like evolve in their music. That's groups like you too, who's evolved through the decades. Even Madonna, you know, these these are artists that just keeps on, you know, changing their their who they are and revising and testing things.

Yeah.

actors and actresses that really kind of redefined the roles. Like for example, Jim Carrey, known as the comedian, but yet he evolved in the roles and deeper roles and stuff. Even Adam Sandler, he's known for his slapstick comedy, but the last couple of movies he's put out there, it's like, yeah, that's some pretty deep, dramatic roles that he's not traditionally plays. And I've always admired. those type of actors who test their limits in terms of what they're known for and not just be the pretty boys or the pretty girls and they actually evolve into something and they challenge their skillset because of the mastery of that and the pursuit.

Yeah, that's a great pathway to discuss. So let's look at it from the starting point that traditionally education was the pathway to a greater life. So if you have grown up where people were disempowered, the gateway or the pathway, either you were an elite sports person or it was education. And so the quickest way to create social change is through education. So that's the avenue. And... Historically, that was the pathway, the traditional, the professional careers, the teacher, the doctor, the lawyer, they not only was their prestige and power in those roles, but there was also an identity, there was also security, financial security. And so that was the pathway. And without question, you and I both had a level of validation in going through that pathway, you know, with the success, with the, you know, parents made our parents proud because we went through and yeah, we had all that. Right. What's actually very interesting that I'm realizing and, and, you know, Gary V has been very instrumental and vocal in this area is challenging our conventional methodologies and pathways of education now. So unless your career and let's face it, you know, basically people growing up these days, they're more likely to have multiple iterations and changes in careers that you and I did, you know.

Mmm.

Gone are the days where you get into one career, you get the golden wash after 40 years, they're gone. And so many people are challenging the conventional pathway of education. So unless you have to require that to be university trade, people are finding alternative avenues to learn. And you mentioned the other thing, which is a really great point about the artists who evolve, who challenge themselves to get better. And I think we always, we talked about this and I'm...

Yep.

I'm sure it's probably come up in when you're coaching people is you can be a person or a health professional who's got one year experience 20 years over. Meaning that you definitely, the biggest growth was in your first year. From then on, you just went through the motions for the next 20 years. They haven't really evolved. Whereas a person, exactly, exactly. So there's a big difference between that person and like you said, creative people who are pushing the boundaries of their craft to get better.

Same goal, same challenge every year.

And when you look back and go, man, that was the old stuff back then. I can see how you've grown. And so it happens with artists, happens with health professionals, that help with business people, helps with everybody.

Yeah, it's hard. Like I find that as you get older, it becomes harder to change. And this is where we talked about courage last week. It takes a lot more courage as the years go on, you know, to evolve and change because you're trying to change. Like how, think about an artist who's like well known for one particular genre or artist or like an actor or whatever, and you're known for that one genre. Like there's gotta be a feeling of going, I don't wanna leave this because this is where I got my fame. And for you to change genre, that's a massive risk. That takes massive courage to do that. But it's almost a requirement for creativity. It's almost a requirement to be able to learn how to fail. We talked a lot about that last week. You got to risk failure to test that boundaries, but it's difficult. It's difficult for most people. And then I think of Michael Jordan. I think of Michael Jordan who became, after three championships, he's like the best in the world, right? He's already won three championships. His father passed away and he goes, you know what, I'm gonna go become a baseball player. Right? It's like, and he rode, he played for a year in the minor leagues riding. Like, this guy's a multimillionaire, right? Got everything he wanted and he's riding the bus, you know, with, you know, those minor league players going from town to town playing baseball. And he wasn't that great at it. You know, I think he had a batting average of under 200, but he stuck it through, you know, he gave it a shot. You know, you know, all the spotlights on him. And, you know, he's basically, you know,

Yeah. Yep.

facing that fear and all that thing that we were talking about, how hard it could be, that facing all that media. And so it's the same thing, what you're discussing is like, it's so important to kind of go after that pursuit. And I do agree with you, the pressure we're putting on our kids nowadays, like my daughter is turning 15 and she's in grade nine and the pressure of like choosing where are you gonna go in university, like it's starting now and I'm like.

Yeah.

Are you kidding me? I am 48 years old and I have no idea what I'm gonna do in the next five years. And you're like, you know what I mean? And you're asking a 15 year old to decide her career path. Like now, I get some of it is important because you gotta choose your right courses or you get to right. But I'm like, I've always told her like, honestly, you may not ever have to go to, you might not choose to go to university and that's okay. Like all I care about is that you are happy and do and pursue the things that you enjoy. I don't know what that is. I don't think you know what that is yet. So just.

Yep, yep, yep, yep.

play with, you know, different aspects. Go be a photographer, go write, go, you know, understand some science, go, you know, YouTube, whatever, start a business. I don't know, but just go after it because that's where the learning comes in. If you don't know what you want to do, then great. University is perfect for you, right? Because then that's where you discover. Meet people, meet people, and try different things. That's a path that is heading.

Well, that's what you're, that was, yeah, that's what traditionally university was for, right? It was to actually go out and explore and find out about yourself and find out about the world and the like. But, but it highlights how hard this is where a lot of times I feel people get trapped and you may have had the same experience to Lawrence where you've got vocational power, I've role of your identity, your role to change that you're going to compromise social and financial power. And so a lot of times people go, it's too hard. So I'm going to destabilize.

traditionally. Yeah, true.

two of those things to change one, I'm too far down the rabbit hole, I'm going further. And that's a really tough scenario.

Well, that's why I think anybody is in their 20s right now, if you're listening to this, go do all those things. Like you have nothing, that you don't have the financial stability typically. I'm not saying, you know, no judgment, but most people in their 20s don't have the financial stability or the security, and you don't have all those like obligations committed. So this is when you should try everything. Go do a whole bunch of things and then figure it out. And then 30s are meant to leverage that, you know, find out what you're really good at in your 20s and then your 30s, you go, okay, let's hone in on the, some of those things that I'm really good at.

Yeah.

and then your forties, then you can kind of dive deeper into it. So I think that's like, you know, I personally feel like that's the best advice, you know, to see in the world. I wish I had that, I learned that, I kind of intuitively kind of knew some of this, but I wish I had that, you know, that knowledge and wisdom that was passed on to me in my twenties. I don't think it would have been a little bit more focused on doing that. But yeah, your traditional, like right now, like I find schools, you know, especially like the schools that I graduated from, it's just like, it gave me permission to be X, right? gave me a piece of paper and that's all I did. I don't think I learned to think, I just learned to regurgitate and I gave me a license to practice or license to do whatever and I had to do that all most of the thinking outside of school.

Yeah. And a lot of the, and there's another element we haven't mentioned, I think is self-education where traditionally the quote has always been that formal education will give, provide you a living and self-education will provide you a fortune. And it's the, the, the idea and concept that you're constantly still learning just because you've gone down this road is like, like you said about the, the, the artists who keep iterate, what can you keep learning? How can you, because if you're working in an organization, you have to keep learning and the more you learn, the more value. you create to the place and the role and the area of the event. And so if things change, you have the skill set to be able to shift on a dime and go in another direction. But if you haven't self-educated yourself to learn about what's going on, the classic scenario is you mentioned AI at the start of this, there's movement there. It is in all of our interest to understand the ramifications and the impacts of that and do a Wayne Gretzky and wait to where we're in the position where the puck's coming rather than waiting to where the effect. So that to me is a really important thing that we all need to be aware of in terms of how do we self-educate ourselves.

Yeah, I mean, we're in a position where we already know this in hindsight, which is that, you know, the things that are working now like really well, or the career paths that are, that are really highly in demand wasn't in demand. It was definitely not in the curriculum when I went through school. And so it's, it's about sometimes you get lucky if you choose the right thing. But sometimes you don't. And, but it's a, can you adapt fast enough? Can you adapt and evolve fast enough and to predict it? And most of the time we can't always predict what's going to happen.

Yeah.

in the future because it's moving too fast. And so instead of trying to predict to aim, like it's almost like predicting the stock market and like buy low and then sell high. The reality is like I think it's probably the higher probability of success here is choose something you love, choose something you're passionate about, choose something that you're willing to kind of put in the work and effort in. And I think there's evolutions from that that will probably benefit you in some way if you learn how to. not stay in that lane, but be able to take that skill set and take multiple skill sets that you had interest in and then somehow create something that was magical. If you think of one example I can think of is like Steve Jobs taking a calligraphy class in university and that formed the basis of a lot of fonts and how Apple was designed from the beginning because of that one class he took. Who would have thought, right? But it's only in hindsight. And so it's a matter of like interest. What are your interests? How do you dive deeper into it? And then, you know, not necessarily hope, but see if there's any interconnections that you can bring. There's a great book called Range, R-A-N-G-E, Range. And it talks about how some of the most successful people in the world is usually the people who have done a whole bunch of things, including Federer. You know, like you talk, Roger Federer is like one of the greatest tennis players in the world. He, his mother was a tennis coach, but he refused to play tennis until...

Yep.

He didn't really play tennis until he was like 16, but he played all these sports prior to which developed different skill sets that he wouldn't have had if he just stuck with tennis. I know people always use kind of Tiger Woods. Well, Tiger Woods was playing tennis, you know, played golf when he was two. But there's tons of other examples where Wayne Gretzky, yes, he skated when he was two, but he is Canada. It doesn't snow and ice all the time. It's only in the winter. So the summertime, he played baseball and played lacrosse. That developed his hand-eye coordination, you know, regards that. And that's a great example. is why he became a great stick handler. So you don't see those things in forward motion, you see those things in hindsight, as Steve Jobs famously said in his yeah, connect the dots speech, right?

Yeah. Connect, connect the dots. Yeah. You know, the last thing I was going to say here when we move on was whenever you're organizing a business and you kind of, you've touched on it a lot. I just wanted to bring a frame around it was when you're looking at what career, if you're looking at making a career in something, you look at and say, what am I interested in? Imagine a three circles into connecting circles. If you go, what am I interested in? What does the world need? And how can I monetize this? And so if you can create that, you're effectively leveraging those quadrants or those, those three areas that you're talking about to create a business that actually is in demand and also that you enjoy doing, and you can make a living out of.

Yeah, it's absolutely. And so, you know, like what we've been talking about has been vocational success and we spend a lot of time here, but really what you kind of blend into and added to was actually the sixth one, which is mental genius and creativity. So we kind of like blend those two anyways, right? You didn't even know because we didn't, yeah. So it, and that's the power. So like we can, you know, we can link those last two, those last two really together because the mental genius and having the fortitude and developing that mind is what we've been talking about, that creativity. So yeah, it's great.

Right, okay. I didn't I didn't even know. Yeah

A genius.

So this is like the mental, this will be your, your natural affinities, your zone of geniuses. That's what you were talking about from earlier on, where you actually go, I'm really good at this. I have a power. Like if you're great with numbers, for example, you'll have an ability that someone who doesn't have, you know, it's not something you can't be learned, but that will give you a level of power and problem solving capacity, which somebody else might not have.

Yeah, I think it's a combination of a few things. So it could be divided by, for example, what you said, it could be like mental or superpower, right? So that you have a superpower because you have a certain skill set that you just spent a lot of time creating, sort of creating and developing and mastering. But then also too, you could also, like your power could come from like a mental mindset. You could be, like if you think about someone from the Navy SEALs, for example, or someone who's gone through jujitsu training, for example, or what you do, and even CrossFit, or any of these type of things that do hard things, kind of...

Yep.

and mental attitude, no matter what those things have really, what do they do? Well, they do the physical part, that's a given, but what they really do, I think, is that they basically shape your mental fortitude, right? Your mental power, or be able to doing hard things. And then that's what I'm also talking about too, because there's not, and then you can also translate to mental, your ability to learn, and then actually have a bunch of knowledge and be an expert in something, right? That's also another mental power. So there's a wide range in mental power here in Genius. But I'm talking about being a genius of creativity, being a genius in terms of your ability to be an expert. But I also think I wanna add in mindset here because you and I both love that mindset part. I think mindset would be the mental fortitude is a power here and those people can withstand and do things that most people wouldn't imagine to do just because they have got a stronger mindset than others.

Yep. Yeah, I'm glad you mentioned that, Myce, because that's where I was looking at going as well for the same reason, because I think paramount in this whole area would be the distinction between a fixed and growth mindset. Yeah, so you'd have to have, you know, not what I say you'd have to, but it would be in your best interest to have a growth mindset within this area to be able to evolve, adapt, and use all the things that we talked about up until this point in time as a catalyst to leverage. the mental power in there, because if you've got a fixed mindset and it's either yes or no, fail or not fail, you don't have the capacity to keep improving and getting better as time goes on. So that's that's how I was interpreting that as a mental power. It's it's sometimes it's your mental models, your frames, your paradigms, how you see the world. That can be a real strength. Because if you look at you know, the life is there are opportunities out there. You're going to use it as a superpower and you're going to create and attract situations that support that. And if you've got contrary to that, if you've got something that is opposite to that, you're going to be probably limited in there. So that would be how I would expand interpret.

Yeah, I think philosophy falls into this place too, as well. There's a lot of power in this, and a philosopher who understands life and sees life in a very different manner. And I think those types of things are really important because you can, you admire, we all admire those people who can see the world in a different light. We all admire those philosophers who can see and just can, the Stoic, for example, the Stoic philosophy, like when, you know, we admire those people who can live that and understand it. There's power in that.

Yep.

And then we can kind of move into the seven power, which is the last one, which is the spiritual mission, right? The spiritual power. And there's that power into that, right? So there's, you know, you think about, you know, traditionally we can think of spiritual powers as, you know, a priest, for example, or the Dalai Lama, or, you know, heads of religion. You know, some of that has obviously lost its shine because of due to a whole bunch of other things, but the reality that there's, you know, certain people, the Catholics will hold the Pope as having a power, you know, in terms of what he's accomplished. And so other religions will have that too, but spirituality doesn't have to be about religion. Spirituality, I think, is about, you know, you're spiritual within yourself. We talked about that last time, I believe we talked about the courage around that. And it's about the spiritualities, about how do you identify with your calling and your purpose and what you do. And having an ownership of that and awareness of that and development of that, I think, is such an important element. And we got to learn to also basically

Yep. Yep.

rise up and raise up the level of the power in our spirituality.

Yeah, it's actually very interesting. Uh, I had caused this week, I had a conversation with someone who was in a moral predicament where, where he was challenged by something and the easiest thing that he could do was to throw someone under the bus to avoid responsibility and he'd be out of it and the ramifications for him following through

Mm-hmm.

you know, he's been, you know, without getting too hung up on it, he could actually save himself by throwing someone else under the bus or, or follow through a particular path and unfairly be punished for something. And it came to a fascinating because this person got to the point, if it wasn't because of his spiritual beliefs, I think he would have been challenged because he said, look, this is a test. This is a test of my

Hmm.

character, my faith, and he said, I want to be a great man. And a great man upholds the standards that they want to live by. They don't, they're not, they're not so tempted, but they don't back down on principles and virtues that are very important to them, that are, that are, that are very deeply ingrained. And if it means that I am punished. but I maintain my connection to my spirituality, then so be it. And I was really impressed with that because like we said last time in the section about courage, you will be challenged by things. And sometimes for, spiritual power is about looking at the bigger encompassing issues of the world and saying, look, this is my path, this is my purpose, this is my reason for doing what I'm doing. And I understand that there may be ramifications and impacts for it, but you know, I can't do that. And that takes a certain level of power. And what comes with that is usually peace, you know, because someone could be at peace. I know there's times where I've let go of things that are outside of my control and they were universal things. And I've just went, okay, I just had freedom and peace by letting go of that. And I wasn't fighting that. And it helped to have a spiritual understanding and a belief system that's.

Yeah, and it's, you know, the main thing when we look at these seven powers is that if we don't develop these powers in any of these areas, or, you know, or if we maybe only develop in some, the ones that we're weak on or lower, we're going to be overpowered by someone else. And so it's more like a protection, right? We have to have the courage. We talked about that, but when then we also have to learn to develop these powers and these powers are there to really enhance your life. And you can see that, but also too, also is in protection.

Hmm.

by having power in these areas, you're also defending. Where we talked about, we started off with a conversation around physical power, the physical prowess. Like one of the reasons why we do that is not just because we look good or feel good, but it's also be able to know that we can defend ourselves in difficult situations. You know, with Jiu-Jitsu, for example, like one of the, imagine, would be one of the things that the confidence that you would feel is that, you know, whenever you're coming in an attack, you're definitely a higher probability that you can defend that situation because you've gone through this mastery of training. And it's like, and I think the same thing with any of these things, we talked about family, we talked about social, we talked about finances, we talked about mental, we talked about vocational, we talked about spiritual. So if we don't learn to develop these powers, we're gonna be overpowered by someone somehow elsewhere. And so the goal here is, I think, is the important level of what we're trying to discuss is finding these powers, be aware of them, and also learn to chip away at developing and master these powers over a lifetime and get stronger with each one.

Mm. Mm. Lawrence, I was just going to say that, as you were talking about that, I kept on thinking of Gandhi, and Gandhi had a level of conviction about power, and he overcame the British army through non-force, and through a peaceful protest, he just was resolute. So...

Hmm.

there was spiritual power and moral power and all of that social power and all of those, and they trumped physical power. And to me, I think that's the really important part because while the physicality is a primal fear that we have, I think it's niche kids said if people can overcome anything, provided there's a purpose or really I'm paraphrasing it.

Social power.

Um, you can overcome any obstacle. And to me, the people who are able to do that, who can transcend the fear of the physical punishment, other people have on a different plane or on a spiritual pathway that they know that this is the journey, this is how I need to go and that to me, you know, when I see footage of that, I get shivers down my spine and go, it's not about that's the power versus force, um, thing. Cause someone can try and force you into something where if you have autonomy and power within self.

Yeah, absolutely.

you'll find a pathway forward.

Yeah, it always reminds me of the depiction of the, you know, in Beijing, when that Chinese man stood in front of that tank. Um, you know, it's just where, like, I still remember that, uh, such a, you know, I don't remember what year that was, but it was, it was such a powerful image, right. And that there's that. And I think when you talk about Gandhi and all those things he had, he didn't have physical power, but he had all the other ones, the spiritual, the mental, the vocational, and really we can also say he had financial power because he didn't need anything.

the tournament square yeah yeah

Right, so he had the independence. And this is what we talked about. It's not about the amount of money. Of course, having more money will give you more, you know, that power if you use it well, but it's the independence of that. And I think that gave him the power. So it's about, you know, taking down the British Empire with four, you know, without forces, is a no-fault, small, small feat. And that's a perfect example of, you know, having power in certain areas that could really change the world and change society. So that's what we're talking about here. And this is why it's so important for us to be aware of it and start. you know, chipping away at it and master it. So I hope this has been valuable to you. And if it is, you know, make sure that you, you know, continue to subscribe to us and watch and listen and share this podcast with others. Jim, do you have any last minute words that you want to say before we end this podcast?

No, I think I'm complete. I'm complete Lawrence. I'm pretty good. I think this was a good two part series, uh, carrying over for the one before that I think would really help people get really clear on who they are, what they stand for and why they do what they do.

All right, well, as always, make sure you subscribe to us. Make sure you listen to it. Make sure you comment and ask us questions. We'll love to kind of, you know, maybe feature one of your questions as our next podcast episode. This is us, Jim and Lawrence, Power Out.

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